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Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:04:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:King Kobrah wrote:KB/M isn't even the best combo
controller/mouse is vastly superior. i love how nobody but me has picked up on it either. You mean a controler like the frag fx or PC mouse and controller No, just a regular PS3 controller in your left hand, and your mouse in your right hand i should really make a video of me playing like this, people are always so confused on how it works and how it's even possible to be good like that.
I just did that to test a mouse, because I don't have a keyboard at hand... But how can you play effectively without being able to reload, jump, crouch, or select equipment without taking your hand away from the mouse? It's not like it doesn't work, but I can't imagine a keyboard being less effective just because it has no analog strafe (which can even be an advantage at times). Do you have those functions bound to additional mouse buttons? But how would you do that without software drivers?
Anyway, like I said I just tried the mouse, and I have to say I'm shocked... It's absolute easy mode. Maybe this is just because I'm not very good with a DS yet, but the difference is so dramatic, I don't think I could catch up to it with months of practice.
This basically leaves me two options: Become bitter about it (and possibly stop playing), or cave in and move my PS3 to the desk... I am tempted to do the latter, just because I know that I'll be a lot more competitive, just like I used to be in PC shooters. But I can't help but wonder if it's really worth it, because catering to PC gamers on a CONSOLE game is clearly suicide, and why should I commit to a game which has no future...
So frankly, I'm kind of pissed right now. Although a part of me is looking forward to a lot of easy kills... Man... |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:15:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Duck Drahko wrote:King Kobrah wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:King Kobrah wrote:KB/M isn't even the best combo
controller/mouse is vastly superior. i love how nobody but me has picked up on it either. You mean a controler like the frag fx or PC mouse and controller No, just a regular PS3 controller in your left hand, and your mouse in your right hand i should really make a video of me playing like this, people are always so confused on how it works and how it's even possible to be good like that. I just did that to test a mouse, because I don't have a keyboard at hand... But how can you play effectively without being able to reload, jump, crouch, or select equipment without taking your hand away from the mouse? It's not like it doesn't work, but I can't imagine a keyboard being less effective just because it has no analog strafe (which can even be an advantage at times). Do you have those functions bound to additional mouse buttons? But how would you do that without software drivers? Anyway, like I said I just tried the mouse, and I have to say I'm shocked... It's absolute easy mode. Maybe this is just because I'm not very good with a DS yet, but the difference is so dramatic, I don't think I could catch up to it with months of practice. This basically leaves me two options: Become bitter about it (and possibly stop playing), or cave in and move my PS3 to the desk... I am tempted to do the latter, just because I know that I'll be a lot more competitive, just like I used to be in PC shooters. But I can't help but wonder if it's really worth it, because catering to PC gamers on a CONSOLE game is clearly suicide, and why should I commit to a game which has no future... So frankly, I'm kind of pissed right now. Although a part of me is looking forward to a lot of easy kills... Man... My PS3 sits on my desk right next to my computer... plugged in to my second monitor. I pretty much play this like a subpar pc game.
Which is exactly the problem. You can't market a game to console gamers, if you get an advantage by treating your console like a subpar PC...
I know some people have said they tried KB/M and they play worse with it, but it's not a fair comparison if they never played a shooter with a mouse. What matters is how an experienced DS player matches up against an experienced KB/M player, and from what I can tell so far, it's not even a contest. Now now mouse is even going to get an unlocked turning speed? This is really worrying. |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
81
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:25:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:8213 wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:We already been there... THAT IS WHY THE MOUSE IS NERF RIGHT NOW. I think CCP have realize now that doesn't give a HUGE advantage. BECAUSE it doesn't.
Tactical Awareness and FPS experience are the main factors. That's simply not true. I've used KB&M time-to-time, and you do better every time because of the "sticky" factor. I could kill someone from 60m out with a submachine gun, because I could glue my site onto them and 78 out of 80 bullets would hit the enemy. That kind of micro brain correction isn't possible with controllers. And I'm kind of eFamous (lol) for my aim with controllers (as I don't play with aim assist turned on; not that it makes any difference in DUST) There is a reason why KB&M and controller shooters are left in there own worlds. Sorry.. Tactical Awareness and FPS experience are the main factors. I know because some times i play with the DS3 when i want to have a break from the mouse ( I have Repetitive Strain in my shoulder ), and my scores are not different at all.
I call bullshit on that. Yes, tactical awareness is the main factor, but that doesn't mean you don't get a huge advantage from easier aiming.
My only hope is that the issue is exaggerated for me because i've got years of experience with the mouse, but somehow I can't really believe that. It has been a long time since I even touched a mouse, and this was my first try with a crappy old mouse with a cord pulling on it. If this turns the game into easy mode already, I don't want to know what an experienced player with a solid setup can do.
Whatever, I'm going to cave and try out a proper desk setup, this should be very interesting indeed. But if it really works as well as it seems to, I'm not going to kid myself or others by claiming that I could do just as well with a DS3. |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
81
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:31:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Duck Drahko wrote:
I know some people have said they tried KB/M and they play worse with it, but it's not a fair comparison if they never played a shooter with a mouse. What matters is how an experienced DS player matches up against an experienced KB/M player, and from what I can tell so far, it's not even a contest. Now now mouse is even going to get an unlocked turning speed? This is really worrying.
Do you think that MAYBE, KB/M users are old farts that has been playing FPS games for decades ? Experience should count for something too.
I am an old fart who has been playing FPS games for decades, aiming still seems ten times easier with a mouse and it doesn't take anything away from anything else. And even if experience does count for something (which it obviously does), why do I need another advantage?
Playing with a DS3 is hard mode for me, but I'd much rather learn to overcome this challenge to play fairly with everybody, than to get a cheap advantage by mis-using the console as a PC. |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
83
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:34:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Type of input does not a good player make. KB/M is no better or worse than controller for input, it is all about what you use and practice with. I know plenty of ridiculously good xbox players that can't for the life of them do the same thing on KB/M. Know why? Because for years and years all they have used was a controller and have mastered manipulating it to make their toon do what they want it to do. It is the same thing for KB/M people that have switched to controllers. Saying one is inertly better than the other is basically saying apples taste better than oranges.
It would be nice to believe that, but alas, I can't.
Sometimes a video says more than a thousand words, so I will just leave this here.
Enjoy! |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.07.27 00:26:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Situational Awareness is critical in FPS games....aiming is just the finishing product. If you do everything correctly, you don't even need to be good at aiming.. just.. good "enough". Do you know how silly you sound when you say aiming isnt important in an FPS game? Your argument falls flat when the opposite goes true for kb/m making it a null argument. Are you gonna tell me next that if you try hard enough, you can transform your analog controller into a mouse?  Also let me reiterate: Doc Noah wrote:And what happens when both players are situationally aware? You guys keep bringing it up when the discussion is about mouse vs gamepad and not about tactics. You know how stupid you sound saying that Tactical / Situational Awareness is not important in a FPS game ? Next you going to say that the most Important thing in a WAR, is shooting at everything without tactics or logistics ..just pick a gun and go to war..as far as you can AIM perfectly you are going to be fine... just rush to the front line with your Rifle and kill everyone with you amazing aiming .. Word of advice ... NEVER JOIN THE ARMY.. you won't last long.
Sorry, but are you dense? He hasn't said that situational awareness isn't important. It's as important as tactics are to football, but saying aiming is not important for an FPS is as stupid as saying technique isn't important in football. You need both, and at best you can try to cover up a weakness in one area with excellence in another. |
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